New McCain Ad Yikes

This new McCain ad is very powerful and therefore very scary.

Opposition research:

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They're trying to make this a culture war election as they successfully have many times before (68, 72, 80, 84, 88, 00, 04). At this point, I'm more for Obama than many of the Kool Aid kidz, as I see all of his FISA, campaign finance reneg, etc., as the old politics Obama's been successfully playing all along. I always felt 'politics is politics,' and I took the "I'll change the culture of Washington" with a grain of salt, so Obama's current moves don't dampen my wish for a Democratic president.

But I'm struck by the irony of how all of the 'change we can believe in' and 'yes we can' worked on [a minority of] Dems but he'll need more than that to beat McCain nationally. Unfortunately.

I think he'll win, but it's going to be close.

Postscript I just read that Barack is against current bankruptcy law but only for military or those hit with natural disaster. OK, Barack. I was Hillary's biggest supporter. I have a strong stomach. I just got done writing, above, that I understand old politics. But the bankruptcy laws are unfair to all Americans, not just these groups. Remember it was written by the credit card companies. Bill focused-grouped the public to come up with this micro-parsing when he was in office and it worked to his advantage. but if you stay on this track in the general election, you're going to play into the GOP labeling you as "will say whatever he has to to get elected." It's how they want to define you anyway.

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I thought McCain said we were better off now than we were in 2008, but now "the economy is in shambles"?

Overall, it hits all the right points, but it's a very dark ad. "Life sucks" isn't exactly the campaign mantra you want when you're the continuation of the current administration, who no one trusts to fix the problems.

I liked their use of the words like "hope" with a negative tone as if it's the worst thing you could have. It worked with "liberal", so let's see if it takes with "hope".

It also does a nice job of softening McCain's poor (understatement, of course) speaking skills. I was expecting more of a "man of action, not man of words" vibe, but that may have been a little too cliche.

It's the best ad they could make, but we'll see if people are ready to be depressed. And if being depressed makes them want to vote Republican.


by TCQuad on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:31:13 PM EST

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I hear you but I think the ad goes after states not on coasts, that old-fashioned working class vote and does it well.


by NY Writer on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:42:25 PM EST
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Interestingly enough:


That would have been a great ad... in 1968. Note the ad's nostalgic desire to re-fight the Vietnam-era culture wars all over again and a couple of sneering references to the word "hope." That'll get 'em up out of their rocking chairs!

What's interesting is where the McCain campaign has chosen to run the ad. It's up in only three states won by Democrat John Kerry in 2004: Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and New Hampshire. And now McCain has to play defense (and deplete scarce resources) in eight states won by Republican George W. Bush four years ago: Colorado, Iowa, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia.

Uh, Mississippi?

Al Giordano - Air War! The Field 8 Jul 08

The fact that this is running in 'new battleground' states is pretty significant in itself.  As Al notes, 'The point is this: For as long as Obama continues to inspire his million-and-a-half small donors to keep tossing a little coin into the cup, he'll continue to be able to play offense, putting the rival team on its heels and in a perpetual defensive posture. In sports as in politics, that's the mark of any coach's dream team game.'  It sure is.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 11:56:59 PM EST
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No offense but... (2.00 / 1)

I think you have a very "NY" opinion of us fly-over voters ;).  No disrespect, I love New York, but the way midwesterners are portrayed by politicos borders on incredulity.  Despite the rumors and assumptions, we don't get googly-eyed over politicians with stories like John McCain's. I've seen so many solid war vet candidates fall flat with voters here I place little credence on McCain's service.  

Also, I'm not so sure the whole hippy contrast thing works on Obama.  You can't be seen as a creature of the '60s if you were in diapers during that decade.  He was born at the tail-end of the baby-boom and has a public profile that identifies him more as a Millennial or honorary Gen-Y member.  This means the Vietnam War, the summer of love aren't historical events associated with Obama's life. Events that define Obama's life are probably more along the lines of the Reagan years, the fall of Berlin Wall, the computer revolution and the ushering in of the information age, 9/11, Afghanistan, and the Iraq War.  

Quite frankly the only things from the 60s people associate with Obama are 1) John and Bobby Kennedy 2) The Civil Rights Movement.  Dragging in a social movement spearheaded by upscale whites who were born 15 years before him doesn't tar him.


by Homebrewer on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 11:57:19 PM EST
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I think it is too old.  It shows McBushes age very clearly.  It is sad, very sad


by Spanky on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:34:43 PM EST

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McCain has not an ice-cube's chance in hell of beating Obama. I feel sorry for the guy. There's rumors that he'll drop out (for medical reasons perhaps) and one of the other pasty white guys will step in. Won't matter, though. If Obama is breathing on election day, he wins.


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:43:44 PM EST

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TR'd for racism.


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by lara in italy on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 06:08:16 AM EST
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You are an idiot.


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 09:44:30 AM EST
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Its just one ad.  Obama's intro ad was good as well, but I didn't do a cart wheel and declare "We've won baby!".  

As to the actual result of the election, no one has any idea but if I had to bet I'd say its either a close Obama win or a decent thumping after McCain tanks in the debates.  Or... the Gravelanche kicks in and he sweeps the nation!


by Xris on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 11:10:49 PM EST

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Great.  Another election about a war that was over before I was born.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 11:12:35 PM EST

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I wish it were other


by NY Writer on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 11:26:00 PM EST
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Uh, (2.00 / 1)

"Dirty hippies"?  That's the tactic they're going for?

Yikes.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 11:30:33 PM EST

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Guess it doesn't scare you because of all those elections you don't remember where it worked?


by NY Writer on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 11:33:12 PM EST
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I think it gets less and less effective... (none / 0)

...as the Boomers get older and older and the X-ers and Millennials - who don't remember the Vietnam War outside a history class and whose only encounters with hippies were on another VH1 retro special - make up more of the electorate.  

I know as an X-er that I'm sick of the frakking Boomers continually refighting the cultural wars of the '60s.  Most X-ers and Millennials don't really give a hoot about who did what during Vietnam.

That, and it doesn't seem to work when economic issues are at the forefront.  Hell, if it would have been effective in any year, it would have been 1992 when Bill Clinton, an ex-hippie who'd "dodged the draft" (or so the narrative went) was running against George HW Bush, the war hero, with Boomers making up a much larger chunk of the electorate.


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by mistersite on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 11:58:21 PM EST
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No, it doesn't, because when the tables were flipped and our military guy went against their draft dodger, it didn't work for us either.  It's not 1988.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:11:25 AM EST
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It didn't work in '92 or '96 either. (none / 0)

And you'll be hard pressed to get Gen-X/Ys to give a shit about the 1960's, particularly when we're far more interested in looking toward the future.


by Homebrewer on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:26:11 AM EST
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Re: It didn't work in '92 or '96 either. (none / 0)

The target of this ad is not gen x or y or whatever. It's older.


by NY Writer on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:28:56 AM EST
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Yes, but he already has those votes.  This would be like Obama making an ad that was solely targeted at the youth vote.


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:38:33 AM EST
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McCain has the old votes? I don't know.

Obama will need more than the youth vote. He'll need to track older


by NY Writer on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:10:37 PM EST
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So he's recycling a war that was long before his opponent's time and a good line from the Thatcher campaign.  He also ties himself to the rotten economy & keeps pushing his 'maverick' image just as the GOP conservatives are launching their own internal war over the party platform.  

This seems to be speaking to the choir.  It doesn't worry me at all.

Actually the flower-power bit seems to be more of a jab at Hillary's support for the Woodstock Museum, something he was using early in the primary.  


A drink whenever Palin makes a Well-argued, Semantically Intact, Logical and Lucid Argument -- or WASILLA for short.
by January 20 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 11:43:01 PM EST

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This is the third diary about this ad today. I wish people would do a search before showing their 'concern'. We get it. You want to disseminate this ad as widely as possible. Congratulations, the McCain campaign managed to make one ad that wasn't a complete failure. Then again, it appears to be aimed at the over-60 crowd, what with all it's references to dirty hippies and the summer of love.

Let's balance this diary out a little.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:08:19 AM EST

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I"m an Obama voter. What does that make you? an idiot.


by NY Writer on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:25:49 AM EST
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What's your source for the postscript?  It contrasts strongly with http://www.barackobama.com/issues/econom y/#bankruptcy


by Homebrewer on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:27:45 AM EST

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25586249/


by NY Writer on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:27:12 AM EST
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How much is Ian McShane speaking for?  Because it would be hilarious if Obama/McCain's ad surrogates were the two rival pimps in Deadwood (since that's Powers Boothe in John McCain's ad).

I'm going to repeat this early and often until everything thinks the idea is as funny as I do.  In the meantime, I think someone who knows who to do the videos should splice in Cy Tolliver's greatest hits, like "Never believe there's no such thing as a good woman until you've seen one with maggots in her eyes."  Preferably right after he says "John McCain,.."


by MeganLocke on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 03:18:54 AM EST

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NY Writer:  This new McCain ad is very powerful and therefore very scary.

Les:  The truth can be scary.


by LesGovt on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 09:13:29 AM EST

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We're doomed! DOOMED, I tell you! Oh why, why did we pick the wrong candidate? Why didn't someone tell us the Democrats needed a war veteran to run against the Republicans? Why did we have HOPE! That terrible HOPE word will be our downfall! Oh, this is just terrible. I'm so ashamed.


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 09:50:08 AM EST

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idiot


by NY Writer on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:27:44 AM EST
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